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Ann Stock - A king and a queen are coming for a state visit, and the social secretary gets a call from a man who is close to hysterical. All the invitations have gone out, everybody's accepted, and there's no room, but he comes in and tells this long story about his wife dying of cancer, and how they have to have an invitation. So the social secretary makes a special exception and creates a table of 12, which is bigger than all the others. And guess what? She's still alive today, and so is he.

A king and a queen are coming for a state visit, and the social secretary gets a call from a man who is close to hysterical. All the invitations have gone out, everybody's accepted, and there's no room, but he comes in and tells this long story about his wife dying of cancer, and how they have to have an invitation. So the social secretary makes a special exception and creates a table of 12, which is bigger than all the others. And guess what? She's still alive today, and so is he.

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Asa Hutchinson - Well, Secretary Ridge would have to speak for himself, but from my experience, you had someone who's got a history in law enforcement just looking at it from the standpoint, 'My goodness, we got intelligence here, we've got to raise the threat level.' But the Homeland Security has to consider, first of all, 'How does the public react to this? Does it measure up to the standards of credibility? Is it something that we can act upon with an appropriate response?' And, quite frankly, sometimes we realized the public couldn't do anything or law enforcement couldn't do anything. There was a push back saying, 'I don't know that we need to create the fear in the American public.' And, in fact, as you can see, as we got more experienced, the number of times we increased the threat level decreased in '04 as compared to '03. I believe it was four times or three times in '03. We reduced that by half in '04. And I think that's just experience getting better at it.

Well, Secretary Ridge would have to speak for himself, but from my experience, you had someone who's got a history in law enforcement just looking at it from the standpoint, 'My goodness, we got intelligence here, we've got to raise the threat level.' But the Homeland Security has to consider, first of all, 'How does the public react to this? Does it measure up to the standards of credibility? Is it something that we can act upon with an appropriate response?' And, quite frankly, sometimes we realized the public couldn't do anything or law enforcement couldn't do anything. There was a push back saying, 'I don't know that we need to create the fear in the American public.' And, in fact, as you can see, as we got more experienced, the number of times we increased the threat level decreased in '04 as compared to '03. I believe it was four times or three times in '03. We reduced that by half in '04. And I think that's just experience getting better at it.

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Bob Taylor - [(IDG) -- Bob Taylor recalls taking the wind out of the sails of a secretary who had just gotten a brand new, top-of-the-line IBM typewriter. It was 1972, and Taylor was heading up a lab at a then two-year-old research facility that was working on a small interactive computer.] She was showing the typewriter off to a group of six or seven people, and I walked over and hit a couple of keys and said, 'You know, we're going to make this thing obsolete,' ... And everyone just looked at me like I was crazy.

[(IDG) -- Bob Taylor recalls taking the wind out of the sails of a secretary who had just gotten a brand new, top-of-the-line IBM typewriter. It was 1972, and Taylor was heading up a lab at a then two-year-old research facility that was working on a small interactive computer.] She was showing the typewriter off to a group of six or seven people, and I walked over and hit a couple of keys and said, 'You know, we're going to make this thing obsolete,' ... And everyone just looked at me like I was crazy.

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