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Jack the Ripper - I am not going to engage in an argument about canons etc. It is now a part of church process - and I hope that process recognizes it for what will serve no useful purpose, and has no real basis, and makes recommendation to the PB that it be dropped. We have had great restraint in not filing presentments over canonical violations since my case was dismissed. The ECW and others did not file against those who were in violation of canons. At the GC [1997] in Philadelphia, behind the scenes there was an attempt to pass something that exempted the Bishops of the Dioceses that did not ordain women (attempt made by them) and it did not work. I note particularly that charges against me and against Drew Smith came out of the same right wing matrix that was seeking such exemption for their own point of view. This is really a messy situation and I believe it will get messier now.

I am not going to engage in an argument about canons etc. It is now a part of church process - and I hope that process recognizes it for what will serve no useful purpose, and has no real basis, and makes recommendation to the PB that it be dropped. We have had great restraint in not filing presentments over canonical violations since my case was dismissed. The ECW and others did not file against those who were in violation of canons. At the GC [1997] in Philadelphia, behind the scenes there was an attempt to pass something that exempted the Bishops of the Dioceses that did not ordain women (attempt made by them) and it did not work. I note particularly that charges against me and against Drew Smith came out of the same right wing matrix that was seeking such exemption for their own point of view. This is really a messy situation and I believe it will get messier now.

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Jeffrey Bryant  - Satan is the great deceiver; we know that. But this means that self-proclaimed Satanists, occultists, Wiccans, etc. are his weakest soldiers! They are and always will be part of the subculture. Most people look at them, recognize them, and look away. Satan's most effective warriors are in the mainstream: Misguided, apathetic Joe and Jane Schmos who work in the office next to yours. They live "normal" lives. But their minds are deceived and their lives are permeated by subtle, socially acceptable, ungodly attitudes. Such "innocent Satanists" have the greatest influence in our world. Is it possible that some of Satan's strongest influence comes even through members of Christ's church?

Satan is the great deceiver; we know that. But this means that self-proclaimed Satanists, occultists, Wiccans, etc. are his weakest soldiers! They are and always will be part of the subculture. Most people look at them, recognize them, and look away. Satan's most effective warriors are in the mainstream: Misguided, apathetic Joe and Jane Schmos who work in the office next to yours. They live "normal" lives. But their minds are deceived and their lives are permeated by subtle, socially acceptable, ungodly attitudes. Such "innocent Satanists" have the greatest influence in our world. Is it possible that some of Satan's strongest influence comes even through members of Christ's church?

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Malcolm Muggeridge  - The genius of Man in our time has gone into jet-propulsion, atom-splitting, penicillin-curing, etc. There is none over for works of imagination; of spiritual insight or mystical enlightenment. I asked for bread and was given a tranquilizer. It is important to recognize that in our time man has not written one word, thought one thought, put two notes or two bricks together, splashed color on to canvas or concrete into space, in a manner which will be of any conceivable imaginative interest to posterity.

The genius of Man in our time has gone into jet-propulsion, atom-splitting, penicillin-curing, etc. There is none over for works of imagination; of spiritual insight or mystical enlightenment. I asked for bread and was given a tranquilizer. It is important to recognize that in our time man has not written one word, thought one thought, put two notes or two bricks together, splashed color on to canvas or concrete into space, in a manner which will be of any conceivable imaginative interest to posterity.

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Norm Ornstein  - Any spate of news stories from now on about corruption in contracts, etc., will hurt - people will resist a major taxpayers' commitment if they think much of it will be wasted or lining the pockets of miscreants, ... That perception, unfortunately, has been reinforced by the delegation request, which editorials have called 'Louisiana looting.' The delegation needs to change its tone and strategy when it comes to getting aid. The other danger is that over time, as other disasters occur, aid becomes zero sum.

Any spate of news stories from now on about corruption in contracts, etc., will hurt - people will resist a major taxpayers' commitment if they think much of it will be wasted or lining the pockets of miscreants, ... That perception, unfortunately, has been reinforced by the delegation request, which editorials have called 'Louisiana looting.' The delegation needs to change its tone and strategy when it comes to getting aid. The other danger is that over time, as other disasters occur, aid becomes zero sum.

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